>>> THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME.

>> FAIRNESS ISN'T THE ISSUE.

>> I DON'T REALLY THINK -- >> WRONG!

>> WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FAIR IS, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] [ BOING ] [ SOUNDS OF GLASS BREAKING ] >> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.

>> HEY, JUNE IS BUSTING OUT ALL OVER AND SO IS DONNYBROOK.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND THANKS FOR OUR FRIENDS AT THE GATESWORTH FOR MAKING THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU DO WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.

LET'S MEET THOSE ASSEMBLED AROUND THE BIG GREEN TABLE FOR THIS THURSDAY STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY WIESE, ALONG WITH STACY WASHINGTON FROM 920 WGNU-AM.

GOOD TO HAVE STACY BACK.

AND RAY HARTMANN FROM ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE AND STLMAG.COM.

SCANT FORGET ALVIN REID FROM STLMAG.COM, ST.

LOUIS AMERICAN AND BEYOND, AND I THINK, RAY, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU TONIGHT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MR.

ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE.

TODAY IS JUNE 1st AS I SAID, AND AS IT TURNS OUT, THIS IS THE DA I THAT VOTER ID GOES INTO EFFECT FOR THE STATE OF MISSOURI, SO NOW YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR A NON-DRIVER'S LICENSE OR A MILITARY ID, BUT APPARENTLY IF YOU SIGN, THEY'LL ALSO ACCEPT A BANK STATEMENT, THEY'LL ACCEPT A UTILITY BILL, A VOTER REGISTRATION CARD, A GOVERNMENT CHECK, A PAYCHECK.

THOSE ARE ALSO ACCEPTABLE.

DO YOU THINK THAT POSES AN ONEROUS BURDEN TO THOSE WHO WANT TO VOTE IN MISSOURI?

>> YES, IT CREATE AND COUPLE CLAPS OF PEOPLE.

THIS WAS A BIG REPUBLICAN PRIORITY AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM, THEY GOT IT.

IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO REDUCE VOTER TURNOUT 2, 3% IN OTHER STATES, AND IT'S CLEARLY DESIGNED TO TARGET PEOPLE OF COLOR, POOR PEOPLE, AND DISABLED PEOPLE OR SOME COMBINATION OF THE THREE, AND IT'S ABOUT -- IT'S ABOUT REDUCING DEMOCRATIC VOTES.

IT'S WORKED, IT'S -- IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY TO CLEAR THE HURDLE?

NO, BUT IT'S A HURDLE AND THE IT'S A HUR DEALT REST OF US, 85% OF US HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSES, SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

FOR DISABLED PEOPLE AND POOR BLACKS WHO'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE MIGHT BE IN ANOTHER STATE WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET.

>> WHAT ABOUT A UTILITY BILL?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO HAVE.

>> THEY CAN DO THAT NOW.

>>, NO.

>> IT'S ALSO THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET WHAT THEY NEED.

IT'S ALSO THE BLACK PEOPLE THAT CANNOT -- >> THERE'S NO -- >> ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OWN WEBSITE, OPTION TWO, PRESENT A UTILITY BILL AND SIGN THE PROVIDED STATEMENT.

>> AND THEN DO A PROVINCIAL BALLOT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSES, CAN'T CASH CHECKS, CERTAINLY CAN'T BUY ALCOHOL WITHOUT AN ID.

>> THE PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN AMERICANS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ID IS ROUGHLY 25% VERSUS 8% OF WHITES.

>> THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A -- >> UTILITY BILLS IS WHAT WE DID BEFORE THIS IS ABOUT VOTER ID.

>> THIS IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE.

IF YOU'RE A REGISTERED VOTER, YOU CAN VOTE AND IT GIVES YOU THE THREE OPTIONS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT, DON'T HAVE A UTILITY BILL, IF YOUR SIGNATURE MATCHES THE SIGNATURE IN THE VOTER REGISTRY, IT COUNT.

>> SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.

WE'VE MISUNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE PHOTO ID?

>> I THINK IT'S POORLY REPORTED.

>> THERE'S NO PHOTO ID?

>> EXCUSE ME, IT'S NOT PHOTO ID, IT'S VOTER ID.

>> IN THE PAST, YOU HAD TO SHOW SOME SORT OF ID.

YOU'RE SORELY MISINFORMED, THIS IS ABOUT PHOTO ID.

>> THIS IS ABOUT PHOTO ID AND ABOUT KEEPING TURNOUT LOW, PART OF THIS BIG REPUBLICAN PLOT TO -- >> LOWER, LOWER.

>> NO, IT'S ACTUALLY TO -- >> PEOPLE ON THE MARGIN.

>> IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO ERADICATE VOTER FRAUD, THE KIND OF VOTER FRAUD THAT YOU SAY DOESN'T EXIST.

>> IT DOESN'T.

>> OH, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T.

THEN WHAT -- >> I DIDN'T SAY NO VOTER FRAUD EXISTS.

THE KIND THAT THIS WOULD ADDRESS.

>> LOOK UP FIELD WORKS -- THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION IN PENNSYLVANIA.

THEY WERE RAIDED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE FOR FILLING OUT THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL REGISTRATION FORMS.

>> THAT'S VOTER REGISTRATION.

THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THAT.

>> CBS IN CHI, THE TELEVISION STATION ACTUALLY UNCOVERED 119 DEAD PEOPLE WHO VETTED FOR -- I MEAN, 229 TIMES.

>> THAT WOULD NO AFFECT THAT.

>> BUT THERE'S NO VOTER FRAUD -- >> ONE AT A TIME, ONE AT A TIME.

>> 5800 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR DECADES, 5800 TIMES THEY VOTED AND THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY.

SOME OF THEM LISTED THEIR STREET ADDRESS AS A STREET IN GUATEMALA.

>> BUT THAT DOESN'T -- >> I KNOW, WENDY, BUT BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO REPRESS THE BLACK PEOPLE AND NOW NOT LETTING THEM VOTE, ALL REPUBLICANS -- SINCE I AM ONE, CARD-CARRYING REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI WHERE THERE ARE NO CARDS, SINCE I'M ONE OF THOSE ALL-POWERFUL REPUBLICANS, I'M WAITING FOR MY CHANCE TO DOMINATE SOME WHITE PEOPLE OR OTHER POOR BLACK PEOPLE.

I JUST WANT ME -- >> TWO THINGS.

ONE, YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THE NUANCE OF THIS OR THE CRUX OF THIS IS TO TRY TO TAMP DOWN PEOPLE FROM VOTING AND IT'S MISGUIDED AND SILLY, BUT TAPET, THE WHOLE IDEA WHERE YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO PUT FORTH THE EFFORT TO VOTE.

LISTEN, YOU WHEN YOU COULD BE HANGED OR SHOT OR DRAGGED OFF INTO THE NIGHT FOR TRYING TO VOTE, THIS IS LIKE A REALLY SMALL HURDLE TO TRY TO GET OVER.

>> IT'S NOT REALLY A HURDLE.

>> AND YOU CAN SHOW UP WITH THE SAME THING YOU HAD BEFORE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS KNOCKDOWN, DRAGGOUT, EVERYBODY'S EYES GETTING FOEKD OUT, BUT THIS IS A BALT HERE IN MISSOURI THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE BATTLING ABOUT.

IF YOU DECIDE -- OKAY, I HONESTLY THINK THIS WILL IMPACT, LET'S SAY BLACK PEOPLE MORE THAN THE GENERAL RACE, THAT IMPACTS ALL BLACK PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH STUFF LIKE THAT VERY CLOSELY.

>> THIS IS NOT A SMALL HURDLE FOR DISABLED PEOPLE.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> YOU WANT TO TAKE IT LIGHTLY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE FACT IS, THIS IS NOT A SMALL HURZ TELL -- >> NOBODY IS ASKING YOU TO -- WHAT ABOUT VOTER FRAUD?

>> NOT ONE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE, NOT ONE EXAMPLE ANY OF YOU GAVE WOULD BE CURED BY PHOTO ID.

EVERYBODY -- FIRST OF ALL -- >> WHAT ABOUT THE DEAD PERSON?

>> ALL YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS GET A FAKE ID.

THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT PHOTO ID THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED ANY OF THESE.

AND THE IDEA -- NOTHING!

THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, FIRST OF ALL, ALLEGEDLY, IF SOMEBODY CAME AND VOTED AS SOMEONE ELSE, THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP YOU TO USING THEIR ADDRESS.

YOU COULD HAVE A FAKE ID -- >> BUT THERE'S A PICTURE ATTACHED TO IT.

I CAN'T SHOW UP AS MY 96-YEAR-OLD UNCLE, BUT IF I SHOW UP WITH A UTILITY BILL -- IF THERE'S A FOTE FOR, THEY KNOW THAT.

>> THIS IS ON THE PREMISE THAT ALL THE REPUBLICANS ARE WHITE -- >> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

>> AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REPRESS THE BLACK VOTE BY IMPLEMENTING VEERT ID.

>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

>> AND THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE CASE AND I KNOW PLENTY OF BLACKS AND HISPANICS AND EVEN MUSLIMS AND PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS FROM ARE REPUBLICAN, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING VOTER ID LAWS, IT'S NOT LIKE A GROUP OF OLD WHITE GUYS SITTING IN A ROOM TALKING ABOUT SUPPRESSING A BLACK VOTE.

>> BUT THEY MAKE THE LAWS.

WAIT A MINUTE, NOW.

IN MISSOURI, IN MISSOURI, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THE LAWS RIGHT NOW, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, THE POWERS THAT BE IN MISSOURI IS MATURE WHITE MALES.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> LET'S MOVE ON.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> WE GOT TO MOVE ON.

WE HAVE A LOT OF TOPICS.

>> ONE THING.

90% OF AFRICAN AMERICANS VOTE DEMOCRATIC, OKAY?

IF IT WAS TURNED AROUND, IF DEMOCRATS WOULD -- EXCUSE ME, IF DEMOCRATS COULD DISENFRANCHISE REPUBLICANS, THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT DON'T TELL ME THAT JUST BECAUSE I SAID THAT THEY WANT TO TARGET THIS WITH THAT KIND OF -- THAT THAT MEANS THERE'S NO BLACK REPUBLICANS.

>> WE GOT TO MOVE ON, GOT TO MOVE ON.

>> AND THAT'S -- >> WE'RE MOVING ON, NO MORE TIME ON THIS SUBJECT.

ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE TAXI COMMISSION WHICH RECENTLY HAD A MEETING UNDER THE CHAIRMAN TOM RECEIVERS IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS AND RESPONDING TO THE RISING PROMINENCE AND POPULARITY OF UBER AND LYFT IN MISSOURI AND SOME OF THE LEGISLATION FAVORING THEM, THEY DECIDED AMONG OTHER THINGS TO LOWER THE FEES FOR THE CAB COMPANIES, STOP INSPECTING CABS, SAID THAT WILL BE DONE JUST AS YOU AND I GET OUR CARS INSPECTED AT A LOCAL GAS STATION.

THAT'S IN COOPERATION WITH THE MISSOURI DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE OR WHATEVER GOVERNING AGENCY THAT IS, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE NO MORE MEDALLIONS, NO MORE CABS PERMITTED, AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER ASPECTS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DECREASE THE REGULATION.

OH, YEAH, CABS WON'T HAVE TO COVER AS MUCH LIABILITY INSURANCE.

IS THIS ALL A GOOD THING?

>> I THINK IT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I FAVORED UBER AND LYFT, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THEM, COMING INTO ST.

LOUIS BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A CONSUMER -- IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CAB INSPECTED LIKE YOU GET YOUR CAR INSPECTED, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED ONE THING HERE OVER ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO IS IF YOU LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMPANY OR THE CITY OR WHATEVER TO GET SOMETHING INSPECTED, IT COULD BLOW UP AND FLY OUT OF THE CEILING AND LAND SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE CAB NOW HAS TO GO TO WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE GETS AN INSPECTION.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING, FEES ARE LOWER.

IT'S CONVENIENT, CONSUMER FRIENDLY.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, OH, WE GOT TO DO IT FOR BUSINESS BECAUSE BUSINESS -- I JUST THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

>> WELL, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS OR THE CONSUMER IF THE CAB COMPANIES, WHO HAVE I THINK FOUR OF THE NINE POSITIONS ON THE TAXI COMMISSION, HAVE VOTED NOT TO HAVE MORE MEDALLIONS.

THAT WOULD MEAN THERE'S LESS SERVICE, AT LEAST FROM TAXI COMPANIES.

>> WELL IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE CABS, I GOT TO WAIT AN HOUR TO GET A CAB AND THE NEXT TIME THAT HAPPENS, I WILL CALL UBER OR DO SOMETHING ELSE.

THEY HAVE TO TIGHTEN UP THEIR GAME, IT WILL TIGHTEN UP THE TAXI GAME.

>> I TOOK A TAXI FROM THE AIRPORT ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO, I FLEW OUT OF TOWN, MY US WILL WAS AT WORK -- MY HUSBAND WAS AT WORK AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER ANYBODY, SO I GOT HOME AND TOOK A TAXI.

I JUST TOOK AN UBER TWICE IN THE CITY I WAS LEAVING AND THE TAXI WAS NOT IN AS GOOD A CONDITION AS ALL THE UBERS I RODE IN.

OVERALL, THE CABS ARE OLDER, AND SO THE SERVICE WAS FINE.

HE DROVE ME STRAIGHT TO MY HOUSE, IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, BUT I WANT SOME COMPETITION THERES PI THINK THE CABS CAN DO BETTER ON WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING.

>> AND I THINK THIS WILL CERTAINLY HELP SOME PEOPLE KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO USING CABS, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE GIVEN UBER AND LYFT SUCH A HEADSTART IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING A LITTLE BIT OF A FOOTHOLD, ESPECIALLY WITH A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP.

I KNOW YOU DISAGREE.

>> NO, I DON'T.

LISTEN, I THINK THE CAB COMMISSION DID PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING.

UBER AND LYFT WAS REALLY THE OCEAN THAT SANK ALL BOATS, LOWERED THE OCEAN, WHATEVER, WITH REGARD TO CONSUMER SAFETY AND PROTECTION, CERTAINLY THE INSURANCE LIMITS COMING DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, WHAT I ALWAYS ARGUE WITH UBER AND LYFT WAS NOT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE OR NOT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T RUN CAB COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS IF THEY WERE BETTER.

IT WAS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND THE PROBLEM I HAD AND HAVE WITH UBER AND LYFT IS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL OF PRETENDING TO BE A TECHNOLOGY COMPANY INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHICH IS CAB SERVICE, AND THEN USING THEIR POLITICAL CLOUT TO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR THEIR CAB DRIVERS.

AND SO -- AND THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT.

>> BUT THE TAXI COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE CLOUT?

>> WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH -- YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE TAXI COMMISSION, WHICH I SHARE, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAXI COMMISSION.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS SET UP A VERY POOR STRUCTURE AS THEY HAVE DONE ON A LOT OF THINGS.

TAXI CABS SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THAT COMMISSION AT ALL, BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS DO WE WANT TO HAVE -- LET'S LET CABS DO THEIR OWN FINGERPRINTING LIKE THEY DO UBER, OR NOT -- NO FINGERPRINTING.

MY POINT IS LESS SAFETY FOR PASSENGERS.

>>WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT.

>> THEY DID NOT HAVE TO RELENT.

>> I'M GLAD THEY DID.

>> IT'S UP TO THE TAXI COMMISSION TO TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY THEY SQUIRRELED AWAY OVER THE LAST 150 YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG AND BUY SOME ADVERTISEMENT AND SAY THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE A CAB AND IF YOU DON'T DO THAT -- >> I WILL SAY THIS.

I THINK THE TAXI COMPANIES SHOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT WHEN THEY STOPPED OFFERING EARLY MORNING RIDES TO THE AIRPORT.

AT OUR HOUSE, WE EITHER HAVE TO DRIVE OURSELVES OR CALL UBER.

A FRIEND OF MINE THE OTHER DAY SAID SHE HAD TO GET TO THE AIRPORT FOR AN EARLY FLIGHT, NO TAXIS WILL PICK HER UP AT 4:30 IN THE MORNING IN CLAYTON.

SHE HAD TO GET UBER.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

>> I CALLED A CAB ONCE AND THEY SAID WE'LL TAKE THE RESERVATION, BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WE'LL BE THERE.

>> AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL AND UBER PUTS THEM OUT OF BUSINESS, SO BE IT.

>> I WAS SHOCKED.

>> YEAH, I WAS TOO.

>> IF THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL, SO BE IT.

>> WENDY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A NATIONAL STORY.

CLAIRE McCASKILL, SENIOR SENATOR FROM MISSOURI, TREATED TWO OF HER COLLEAGUES AND THEIR SPOUSES FOR A NICE CANCUN TRIP.

CHUCK SUMMER, JON TESTER WENT ALONG WITH THE McCASKILLS TO CANCUN, SHE FOOTED THE BILL.

SOME PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH THAT.

I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS.

SHE SEEMS LIKE A GENEROUS FRIEND.

WHAT DO YOU SAY?

>> I JUST THINK THAT THEY STAYED ABOVE BOARD IN TERMS OF REPORTING.

THEY DID EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE RULES.

THE DIFFERENCE HERE THE FACT THAT IF IT WERE A REPUBLICAN AND IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD IT WITH MY EARS ON TALK RADIO, I'VE HEARD IT ON DONNYBROOK, THAT IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS -- OR IF ANY MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITH SUCH LARGESSE, THEN, WELL, YOU KNOW HOW THOSE FAT CATS ARE.

THE LIBERALS, AS YOU SAID, THE LEFT -- OR EXCUSE ME, THE PROGRESSIVES, THEY'RE JUST REALLY GREAT FRIENDS AND THINK THAT'S -- I THINK THAT'S KIND OF -- >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING STRAWMAN.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR, AT LEAST IN MY CASE, IF ROY BLUNT WANTED TO MAKE JOHN McCAIN OR OTHER FOLKS ON A TRIP, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WITH RESPECT TO GENERALIZING ABOUT LIBERALS, CAN YOU NAME A TIME WHEN I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT?

WHAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE WITH A REPUBLICAN -- st OR A DEMOCRAT -- >> THERE'S NO EXCEPTION WITH WHAT REPUBLICANS DO WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH MONEY.

>> CAN YOU NAME -- [ ALL TALKING AT ONCE ] >> I HAVE TO SAY, I CAN'T IMPUGN YOU, RAY, BUT THAT'S NOT -- I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT WENDY IS SAYING IT'S YOU, RAY HARTMANN, THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.

THE PROBLEM IS JUST LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE OBAMAS, THEY JUST PURCHASED THEIR HOME IN KALORAMA, THEY PURCHASE THE HOME THEY WERE RENTING, THEY PURCHASED IT FOR 1.8 MILLION AND THAT STORY WAS OUT TODAY AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY CRY ABOUT IT.

>> THE BUSHES PROBABLY HAVE A PRETTY NICE HOUSE.

>> BUT IT WAS A PROBLEM WHEN THE TRUMPS, THEY'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THEIR PENTHOUSE AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES AND I SAW PLENTY OF STORIES ABOUT -- NOT ABOUT THE SPENDING, BUT THE SECURITY, BUT THE ACTUAL FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE THREE HOUSES, MAR-A-LAGO IS 150,000 SQUARE FEET.

I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF COMMENTS ABOUT IT.

>> IT'S OKAY TO BE WEALTHY.

>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN THE -- >> NO, ACTUAL EDITORIALS.

>> IT'S OKAY TO BE WEALTHY, FOR THEM TO HAVE -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT?

>> IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN AND YOU'RE WEALTHY, THEN YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCH, YOUR AN ELITIST.

>> LIKE THE THINGS THEY SAID WITH MITT ROMNEY WHEN HE WAS MARVELING AT HOW EFFICIENT THE CHECKOUT THING WAS AND THAT WAS -- AND HILLARY HASN'T PUMPED GAS IN 20 YEARS.

SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN ACTIVE DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT NOBODY EVER SAYS FIGURE ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD.

>> OH, NOBODY EVER SAID ANYTHING BAD IN THE MEDIA ABOUT HILLARY.

>> AND THE OBAMAS.

>> APPLES AND ORANGES, GUYS.

>> HERE'S WHAT -- HERE'S THE THING.

YOU TALK ABOUT FAT CATS AND ALL THAT.

ONE THING THAT WAS -- AS A YOUNG KID, MY DAD TAUGHT ME, DON'T BEGRUDGE ANYBODY'S SALARY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU MAKE, THERE'S SOMEBODY LOOKING AT YOU SAYING THEY DON'T DESERVE THAT, THAT'S TOO MUCH, HE'S A FAT CAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC, 90% OF US, REALLY CARES IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT SOMEBODY A VACATION IF THEY HAD THE MEANS TO DO SO.

I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT THE RIGHT IS TRUMPING UP MORE THAN THE LEFT.

>> I THINK SO TOO.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON.

>> ONE EXAMPLE, NOT EVEN ABOUT US, WHERE ANY PERSON WHO IS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS RIDICULED FOR TAKING SOMEBODY ELSE -- >> WHEN THERE'S A BIG DOLLAR -- >> GOOGLE KOCH BROTHERS.

THEY'RE ALWAYS -- >> BUT THOSE ARE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

>> NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY JUST BEING RICH.

IF THERE'S A HIGH-DOLLAR POLITICAL DINNER, IT'S ALWAYS REPUBLICAN FAT CATS.

I HAVE NEVER ONCE HEARD A DEMOCRAT REFERRED TO AS A FAT CAT.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.

AND -- I'M JUST SORRY I WASN'T ON THAT TRIP MYSELF.

CLAIRE?

OKAY, STACY, THERE'S A STORY, A CASE THAT WENT IN FRONT OF THE MISSOURI COURT OF APPEALS YESTERDAY, 17-YEAR-OLD MISSOURI STUDENT WHO WAS BORN, I BELIEVE ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, A GISHLG BUT THEN IDENTIFIED AS A BOY AT THE AGE OF 9.

NOW IS 17.

AT SCHOOL, HAS BEEN USING THE SINGLE STALL RESTROOM, WHICH IS KIND OF FOR BOYS OR GIRLS.

HAS BEEN USING THE BOYS RESTROOM OR THE GIRLS RESTROOM.

>> SO THAT'S KIND OF A FAMILY RESTROOM.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

SOMETIMES THE DIAPER CHANGING RESTROOM OR WHATEVER.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> BUT THE SCHOOL, I GUESS THEY CALL IT THE SINGLE STALL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NOW THE STUDENT, WHO IDENTIFIES AS A BOY, BORN AS A GIRL, WANTS TO USE THE BOYS LOCKER ROOM AS WELL AS THE BOYS RESTROOM AND THE PARENTS AND THE BOY HAVE TAKEN THIS TO COURT AND ARE SUING.

HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD RULE ON THIS?

SHOULD THE INDIVIDUAL, THE TRANSGENDER BOY, BE SATISFIED WITH THE SINGLE STALL RESTROOM?

>> SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ANATOMICAL PARTS OF THIS YOUNG PERSON ARE NOT MATCHING WITH WHAT THEY IDENTIFY WITH, AND I KNOW IT TAKES A LONG TIME, A LOT OF MONEY, IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IMS TINE CONSUMING AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE HURDLES IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE SURGERY THAT MAKES EVERYTHING MATCH UP.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE ANATOMICAL PARTS DO NOT MATCH THE IDENTIFICATION, AND SO THIS ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE ABOUT THAT STUDENT HAVING ACCOMMODATIONS.

IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF THAT PHYSICALLY -- THAT'S A GIRL IN WHAT YOU SEE, IS SHOWERING WITH THE YOUNG MEN, THE REACTION FROM THE YOUNG MEN ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING GOING TO BE THEY'RE SEEING A FEMALE BODY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S THERE STILL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 16 AND 17-YEAR-OLD KIDS.

IF THERE WERE NO ACCOMMODATIONS, THEN I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A CONVERSATION, BUT SINCE THERE IS A RESTROOM FOR THAT CHILD TO USE WHILE THEY'RE IDENTIFYING AS WHILE THEY'RE MAKING THE TRANSITION, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM CONTINUE TO USE THAT RESTROOM.

AND SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME HATING TRANSGENDERS.

I HAVE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO -- THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR THEM TO BE IN, BUT I ALSO HAVE CHILDREN.

MY HUSBAND AND I, WE HAVE KIDS, ONE BOY AND TWO GIRLS.

THEY'RE IN THIS AGE RANGE AND I CAN'T IMAGINE MY SON SHOWERING WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS AND ONE GIRL AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING SOME KIND OF A THING.

>> BUT NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT KIDS OFTEN -- AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND AGAIN WHEN THEY ARE CONFUSED OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THROWN BY SOMETHING, OCCASIONALLY THEY WILL REACT VIOLENTLY, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE BEST OPTION FOR THE STUDENT WHO IS ASKING FOR THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS.

>> WELL, WHY DON'T WE -- I DON'T THINK THEY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SHOWERING.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT USING -- >> LOCKER ROOM, THE LOCKER ROOM.

>> BUT I DON'T THINK SHOWERING WAS PART OF THE LAWSUIT, SO I THINK WE SKIPPED A LITTLE PEG THERE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES, ESPECIALLY A PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY OR THAT WAY OR WHATEVER THEY DIE, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE I FEEL LIKE YOU DO WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR DISTRICT AND WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THAT DISTRICT SAY, SO EITHER WAY, I THINK I COULD SAY, HEY, WHAT IS YOUR POLICY AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR POLICY IS, THEN THAT'S -- >> YOU'RE OKAY, THOUGH, IF A MAN HAS NOT -- MAYBE HE'S JUST STARTED IDENTIFYING AS FEMALE BECAUSE THERE ARE 58 FACEBOOK GENDERS THAT ARE NOW RECOGNIZED BY -- >> IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WERE TO DECIDE THAT, THEN IT IS UP TO ME TO THEN VOTE TO CHANGE THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS OR LOBBY THE DISTRICT TO NOT GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT YOU AND I HOLLERING AND SCREAMING OVER THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT SHOULD DICTATE WHAT A PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT DECIDES.

>> THERE IS SOME MISSOURI HUMAN RIGHTS LEGISLATION WHICH PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX, SO -- >> BUT THAT'S GENDER-RELATED ISSUES, LIKE PREGNANCY.

THEY ARE USING THIS ONE UNDER THAT GENDER-RELATED ISSUE UMBRELLA.

YOU'RE -- >> TRANSGENDER, IT'S TRANSGENDER.

>> BUT YOU'RE EQUATING A -- YOU'RE EQUATING THIS TO PREGNANCY?

>> I DIDN'T SAY PREGNANCY AT ALL.

I'M JUST SAYING THE -- >> BUT THAT'S WHAT FALLS UNDER THE LAW.

>> THE PERSON BORN A GIRL IDENTIFIES AS A MALE AND YOU CAN'T SKRIP NATE BASED ON SEX.

>> CAN YOU ALSO SEE -- >> REAL QUICKLY.

>> YOU DON'T WANT ME TO SAY IT?

>> THE SHOW IS ALMOST OVER.

>> I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO JUDGE THE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN'T GO TO THE BATHROOM, WHICH IS LARGELY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT GROUP SHOWERING.

>> BUT THE LOCKER ROOM IS WHERE PEOPLE CHANGE CLOTHES.

>> FOR MOST PEOPLE, THE EXPERIENCE IN A RESTROOM IS GENERALLY ONE THAT HAPPENS IN PRIVACY AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS -- >> THIS IS A LOCKER ROOM.

>> I THINK THIS WAS ABOUT RESTROOMS.

>> AND LOCKER ROOMS.

>> AND EVEN IN LOCKER ROOMS, THERE'S PRIVACY AND I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD EXAGGERATE -- >> NOT IN THE HIGH SCHOOL LOCKER ROOM.

>> ALL THE CONSERVATIVES THAT WANT LOCAL CONTROL OF EVERYTHING ON THIS, WANT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- >> NO, I DON'T, RAY.

I DON'T WANT THE STATE OR THE GOVERNMENT -- >> THEY SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT HAVING IT, YOU HAVE TO USE THIS FACILITY BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE AT, THEN THAT'S A SOLUTION -- >> BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT A SCHOOL DISTRICT IN ITS WISDOM TO SCRIM NATE AGAINST GAYS, LATINOS OR BLACKS, RIGHT?

>> I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO -- >> YOU SAID LOCAL CONTROL AND -- >> IT DOESN'T ALWAYS APPLY.

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEM BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WOMEN -- HAVE YOU READ THE ARTICLES?

YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT YOU WANT SOME PROOF.

HOW ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO -- A MOM WROTE AN ARTICLE THAT SAID I'M A BROG SIFR AND I'M IN THE RESTROOM -- WAS .

>> WAS THAT LOCALLY?

>> A STORY DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN ST.

LOUIS.

WHAT I'M SAYING -- >> WE HAVE TO FEW MOVE BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO GO.

FORGIVE ME, I'M SORRY.

IT'S THE UNFORGIVING CLOCK.

IT'S ONLY A 27-MINUTE SHOW.

ALVIN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE BLUE LIVES MATTER LEGISLATION THAT HAS RECEIVED NATIONAL ATTENTION, BUT IN MISSOURI RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE UPPED THE SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES RANGE TRG TRESPASSING TO ASSAULT AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS, OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS, CIVILIANS WORKING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THAT THE CRIMES WILL HAVE A GREATER SENTENCE IF COMMITTED AGAINST THOSE GROUPS.

KIND OF LIKE HATE CRIMES FOR POLICE.

YOU LIKE IT?

>> TOO BROAD A LEGISLATION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HARM A POLICE OFFICER IN ANY KIND OF WAY, I THINK THE PENALTY FOR THAT IS ALREADY HIGHER.

AS DESPICABLE AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE PENALTY FOCUSSING A POLICE OFFICER OUT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS BASICALLY CUSSING ANYBODY ELSE OUT AND THE FAMILY THING, OKAY, I GET IN A SCRAP WITH SOMEBODY IN A BAR SOME PLACE AND THEN I COME TO FIND OUT THAT I BEAT UP A POLICE OFFICER'S SON, NOW I'M LOOKING AT 15 TO LIFE, I'M -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU KNOW WHAT?

ALVIN IS RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON-DUTY, COMMITTING A FELONY AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER IS AND SHOULD BE AN ENHANCED CRIME.

KILLING A COP, ASSAULT, FELONY ASSAULT WHILE THE COP IS ON DUTY, OF COURSE, THAT IS.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, WITHOUT A POLICE STATE AND CREATING A SEPARATE CLASS OF CITIZENS, UNDEFINED AS -- >> I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY THE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS THROWING ROCKS AND BRICKS AT THE POLICE OFFICERS.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON-DUTY OFFICER.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS LIKE WHAT ALVIN SAID, IF SOMEBODY IS ACCUSED OF TRESPASSING ON A COP'S HOUSE -- >> OKAY, THAT'S -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS IN MOMENTS, ALVIN.

FIRST LET GET TO THE LETTERS.

WHAT TO DO WITH THAT CONFEDERATE MONUMENT?

STICK IT IN A GIANT COFFIN AND DUMP IT IN THE RIVER.

THAT'S FROM JEFF OF ST.

LOUIS COUNTY AND WE THANK HIM.

INSTEAD OF SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS REMOVING OR TEARING DOWN A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT, IT WOULD BE FAR LESS EXPENSIVE AND MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL IF WE ADDED A PLAQUE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "THIS STATUE REPRESENTING THE LOSING SIDE OF THE CIVIL WAR IN THE UNITED STATES.

MILLIONS OF CITIZENS FOUGHT AND DIED IN ORDER TO MAKE ALL AMERICANS FREE."

THAT'S FROM BARRY OF ST.

LOUIS.

YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF KETC, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI 63108, AND DON'T FORGET THOSE EMAILS, LETTERSET KETC.ORG AND THESE TWEETS WHICH WE'LL READ SOON, #DONNYBROOKSTL.

THANKS TO STACY WASHINGTON FOR JOINING US ON THIS PROGRAM.

YOU CAN CATCH HER ON 920 WGNU.

WE WANT YOUR PHONE CALLS NEXT WITH ALVIN AND WENDY.

DON'T GO AWAY.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.